please elaborate for me

[pass the chicken]

ok so every time a politician or an anti-weed group put pot in the same catigory as coke and herion and all that weed smokers bitch and moan it's not in that catigory. But then I'm hearing weed smokers saying lets legalize it all I'm not understanding this as it just doesn't make sense to me. I'm not trying to cause bad vibes I really am curious. can someone please explain this double standard to me? prefferably no emotions attached just logic and calmness

[Matt the Funk]

Weed has medicinal value and is not addictive. Should be legalized too....as should all drugs IMO.

[BigHyphyD]

I don't really understand what you don't get.

The potheads say it's not in the same category as coke and heroin, wich it isn't.

And they want it legalized because it has positive effects and a lot of the negatve effects are lies.

[thcbongman]

Weed isn't the same as other drugs. They're all different.

The reason they should be all be legalized is when you take drugs, you are harming noone but yourself. Why make that illegal?

[pass the chicken]

mhm I've caught the drift legalize it all but i'm curious what medical value does crack have? why should it be legalized? is it the going off of it's my body i should choose what goes in it? and if that is the case won't every minor start sayin the same thing bout ciggs. and booze? and the other drugs if they were to become legal?

[Matt the Funk]

Crack doesn't really have any medicinal value. But if you aren't harming anyone but yourself, why make it illegal if all it does is cause crime?

[pass the chicken]

more crime if it was legal then not?

[Matt the Funk]

More crime since it is illegal. Crack is not something most people would use if it wasn't so cheap....

[pass the chicken]

and all the crackheads that there are now? they don't become none junkies. They still need a supply and if it's not as cheap the still need the same amount to get their high. Just now it's at the store and cost more. I'm seeing more and more where your coming from but i mean if we can put what we want into our bodys how long till we decide we don't need speed limit signs. then how long till we decide we don't need gun control at all. then how long till we decide we don't need insurance companys? then what do we need our government for? then boom we're not the united states anymore. Not that I'm all for the government. Just some people lack the common sense and need to be told what to do while you and I may not. I mean the argument your using would be the same arguement that your kids could and prolly would use.

[Matt the Funk]

Dude seriously, I am highly liberal and almost an anarchist so I can't really say what the rest of the smokers on here say about legalizing it. The price will be cheaper and they can buy in bulk. It won't be illegal and they can get some fucking help without being so paranoid too. Crack is pretty much the only drug I can think of that has no uses for good besides gettin high.

[pass the chicken]

mmmmm gotcha liberal thanks for shedding some light on this for me

[napolitana869]

when you legalize a drug you can minimize, if not get rid of, the crime associated with the illegal distribution of it. You wouldnt have the pushers, the dealers, drug deals gone wrong.

[pass the chicken]

but if you legalized all drugs anyone who relies on them whould be out of money just giving more money to the big guys. With people who already brek the law to make a living why wouldn't they break the other laws to get money?

[napolitana869]

oh they would. Look at the mob. They were breaking the law before and after prohabition. They just made a lot more money when you couldnt buy beer. Another benefit from legalization is that you would know what was in what ever you were buying (assuming we're not talking about cannabis). You wouldnt have stuff cut with something that could kill you (I dont know if that really happens or not). All in all I dont know how I really feel about legalizing other drugs. I dont feel like I know enough about it to have a valid opinion about it. I do feel like pot should be legalized because it doesnt hurt people. When you bring the harm factor into the picture thats when things stop being so black and white.

[pass the chicken]

well I wasn't so much reffering to weed I'd love for it to be legalized. I'm more so reffering to the more harmful drugs that haven't done anything except tear apart communities. Though the whole lacing thing that is a very good point. there wouldn't be any more lacing when you bought it at the store but you'd make it easier for someone to lace weed with something and sell it to everyone whos underage.

[TheAtomicPunk]

and all the crackheads that there are now? they don't become none junkies. They still need a supply and if it's not as cheap the still need the same amount to get their high. Just now it's at the store and cost more. I'm seeing more and more where your coming from but i mean if we can put what we want into our bodys how long till we decide we don't need speed limit signs. then how long till we decide we don't need gun control at all. then how long till we decide we don't need insurance companys? then what do we need our government for? then boom we're not the united states anymore. Not that I'm all for the government. Just some people lack the common sense and need to be told what to do while you and I may not. I mean the argument your using would be the same arguement that your kids could and prolly would use.

woah that takes it pretty far. Drugs could possibley be legalized because the only person it effects, considering you aren't driving, is yourself.
If their were no speed limit signs, the immediate change in casualties would be intense, especially in the states considering people die in car accidents here every day. No gun control would lead to more crime for obvious reasons, and without insurance companies... Well I can hardly imagine.
If you get sued for any reason you are screwed. If you get in a car accident or get hurt, you're on your own. Insurance is important.
Surprisingly most laws and companies have a purpose to play in the US, but spending at least $3.67 billion a year or even up to 5 or 6(Report: Taxpayers for Common Sense on Failed Anti-Marijuana Policy (http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/394/taxpayers.shtml)) to protect american citizens from a drug that has never taken a life is quite a waste of money in my opinion. As for other drugs, I the latest numbers I could find for annual spending for all illegal drugs was estimated at $65 billion in the year 2000.

[pass the chicken]

I'm saying if the argument your using is "it should be my choice" where are people gonna draw the line. Cause I bet almost everyone thinks their a great driver. Yet were all still afraid of an accident.

[halfassedjediknight]

Weed has medicinal value and is not addictive. Should be legalized too....as should all drugs IMO.

weed is addictive.

also, dentists used to be able to use cocaine as an anaesthetic. some actually still do, but its frowned upon and rarely utilized.

this is true.

[pass the chicken]

weeds addictive? I need to see a link on that one

[halfassedjediknight]

weeds addictive? I need to see a link on that one

you need to read stuff on the internet to believe that?

dont believe everything you read.

edit: if you wanna believe everything you read..heres something from my biology class text.

No one would argue that marijuana is as addictive as alcohol or cocaine. However, it's wrong to say that it is not at all addictive. More and more studies are finding that marijuana has addictive properties. Both animal and human studies show physical and psychological withdrawal symptoms from marijuana, including irritability, restlessness, insomnia, nausea and intense dreams. Tolerance to marijuana also builds up rapidly. Heavy users need 8 times higher doses to get the same effects as infrequent users.

[pass the chicken]

its not addicting it's habit forming. and the insomnia is. When you smoke it takes energy to create the high. If you don't smoke you didn't use the same amount of energy. And I'm willing to bet noone does extra exercise to compensate for it

[halfassedjediknight]

its not addicting it's habit forming. and the insomnia is. When you smoke it takes energy to create the high. If you don't smoke you didn't use the same amount of energy. And I'm willing to bet noone does extra exercise to compensate for it

youre a doofus kid.

[pass the chicken]

p.s. don't beleive everything I read otherwise I'd Beleive you when you say weeds addicting

[pass the chicken]

namecalling? run out of words to say? can't have a disscussion with out getting emotional?

[halfassedjediknight]

p.s. don't beleive everything I read otherwise I'd Beleive you when you say weeds addicting

well we know whos the bio major and whos still in high school so its cool, i didnt tell you to believe what you read, i said dont. so dont. believe what you want. its still addictive.

[halfassedjediknight]

namecalling? run out of words to say? can't have a disscussion with out getting emotional?

im not gonna waste the energy it takes to type to prove anything to you. thats why i left it at those four simple words.

[Matt the Funk]

well we know whos the bio major and whos still in high school so its cool, i didnt tell you to believe what you read, i said dont. so dont. believe what you want. its still addictive.

I was reffering to how they schedule it. Addicting with no medicinal value. Weed can be habit forming and a "mental adiction" can form.

[halfassedjediknight]

I was reffering to how they schedule it. Addicting with no medicinal value. Weed can be habit forming and a "mental adiction" can form.

a mental addiction can form, as well as a physical addiction. they do studies to find these things out, and they have been done. its been proven. i dont see what makes it so hard to accept the data that has been found.

and you quoted a statement not directed towards you.

[Matt the Funk]

a mental addiction can form, as well as a physical addiction. they do studies to find these things out, and they have been done. its been proven. i dont see what makes it so hard to accept the data that has been found.

and you quoted a statement not directed towards you.

I know lol. I haven't seen the studies and I am too ignorant to look them up. I wouldn't believe them anyways...

[halfassedjediknight]

I know lol. I haven't seen the studies and I am too ignorant to look them up. I wouldn't believe them anyways...

I wouldnt look them up either, not on the internet.

I believe what I learn in school though, otherwise I wouldnt pay to go there.

[napolitana869]

I dont believe everything I learn in school. Its hard to when different classes say things that contradict eachother

[halfassedjediknight]

I dont believe everything I learn in school. Its hard to when different classes say things that contradict eachother

like what classes?

[Pipe Dreams]

The only reason I think ALL drugs should be legalized is simply because I dont think that ANYONE has the right to tell anyone else what they can and cannot put into their body.

[kushy420]

I believe what I learn in school though, otherwise I wouldnt pay to go there.
yeah but that depends on how educated the teacher is and how biased they make their lesson, cause some people like to tell you marijuana is just as addictive as crack and although weed is addictive its no where close to being as addictive as crack

[delusionsofNORMALity]

to take a freedom from everyone based on a worst case scenario is illogical. sure there are those who will spend they're entire lives stoned and steal to maintain the high, but the majority will be capable of moderation. by an across the board prohibition you are essentially penalizing everyone for the failings of the few. if this seems right to you, then perhaps you're ready to live under a totalitarian regime. i, however, am not. the very idea of someone else deciding how i should live my life is repugnant, as it should be to anyone who loves freedom.

as for MJ being addictive:
i'm not even going to get into that other than to say that i have been addicted to several drugs over the course of my life and, even after prolonged heavy usage, i have never had a problem when i came time to give up weed for a while.

[halfassedjediknight]

yeah but that depends on how educated the teacher is and how biased they make their lesson, cause some people like to tell you marijuana is just as addictive as crack and although weed is addictive its no where close to being as addictive as crack

this is true, but there isnt a surefire way to really base how much more or less one substance is addictive to the other because a lot of it is based on your biological chemistry. if your father or mother was an alcoholic, youre more likely to become one than a crack head, or a heroin addict, and so on and so forth. this is kinda theoretical but i dunno.

[napolitana869]

like what classes?

juvenile delinquency, the exceptional child, adolescent psych, abnormal pysch, and social psych. I dont mean different theories either. The juvenile delinquency class is the worst. I even checked the date the book was published to see if it was just old and didnt have updated information. It was 2006 though.

[Spoken Word]

Yall people call him a doofus? He's asking logical questions. lol.. well, at least to me.
But listen, if you don't know EXACTLY what you are smoking and what it's doing to you, don't smoke it.
Weed isn't addictive to me, so I smoke it.
And if anyone tells you it isn't, it's cause they aren't addicted.
You MIGHT get mentally addicted but people would argue that there isn't such thing AND marijuana is not physically addictive like alcohol and ciggs(to name 2).

and to anyone that thinks that they should legalize EVERY drug?. lol.. that would NOT be a good idea and will NEVER happen. there are way too many EXTREMELY dangerous drugs legal right now and cocaine, meth or heroin should NOT be added to the "legal" list.. lol

and dont get it twisted, I'm all for weed getting legalized for obvious reasons.

[TheAtomicPunk]

This report?

Junky monkeys - 16 October 2000 - New Scientist (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn75)

Scientists showed monkeys a lever to push to inject themselves with marijuana, and some of them did it 30x in an hour. It shows that monkeys "strive to inject themselves with the active chemical in marijuana in the same way that they seek out cocaine or morphine."

I'm not sure what to think, and I'm not sure I care. I started smoking bud 2 years ago, and I've breaked for 4 months, smoked for 3, breaked for 3 months, smoked for four, breaked for 7 months, smoked for two, and break for another month. I have no problem with it, so I won't worry about it. I'm waiting to see what other reports come out over the physical addiction though.

[Spoken Word]

^lol. monkeys?

Thats like an expierement with kids and candy.
If candies addictive its cause it tastes good.
If the monkeys wanted more its cause they like being high.

We show proof that weed isn't addictive everyday.
We don't break into people houses for a "fix" or suck our dealers dicks for a "fix".

That' shows more than any study with monkeys, imo

and i hope im not offending u.. juss being real

[halfassedjediknight]

^lol. monkeys?

Thats like an expierement with kids and candy.
If candies addictive its cause it tastes good.
If the monkeys wanted more its cause they like being high.

We show proof that weed isn't addictive everyday.
We don't break into people houses for a "fix" or suck our dealers dicks for a "fix".

That' shows more than any study with monkeys, imo

and i hope im not offending u.. juss being real

candy contains sugar, which is actually an adictive substance. kids are attracted to candy because of course it tastes good with all the different kinds of flavors. also it has tons of flashy crazy colors and shapes and forms. you can get a sugar high, sugar crash, and need more to come back up, just like caffiene.

you might not be breaking into peoples houses for whatever drug you do, but thats just a severe level of addiction. im sure there are people that steal from their parents for weed, or sell or pawn things for weed. its not too crazy to imagine. your level of addiction is gonna be predisposed to your biological makeup and the amount of intake of course.

also i dont know what you mean by "weed isnt addictive, so i smoke it". either thats signs of being addicted and in denial, or are you saying the reason you smoke weed is because you know you wont want more? i didnt get that part.

[halfassedjediknight]

just to throw it out there..im not some hater, i smoke weed myself. :rasta:

[Spoken Word]

yea, i prolly am in denial. lol.
i mean, i've quit before and i def. am goin to have to quit again.
lol.
but it isn't a problem.
doesn't addiction, in the simplest form, mean that you need the drug?
i overcame, cocaine "addiction". lol. and i was a mild case compared to a whole shit full of people.
not to mention, tweakers, junkies, crackheads-
all drugs that are Physically addictive.

and.. i believe mdma is NOT physically addictive, like weed.
correct me if im wrong.
and a lot of probation papers say weed is not physically addictive, around my area so i dunno..

:hippy:

[graph]

well we know whos the bio major and whos still in high school so its cool, i didnt tell you to believe what you read, i said dont. so dont. believe what you want. its still addictive.

Some of the stupidest people I've met I've met in college.

Marijuana is not physically addictive, as you don't suffer physical withdrawal. It is habit-forming, or psychologically addictive, however, in the same way sex and oreos are addictive.

There's no telling what the affect of legalizing all drugs would be, as we have yet to see it. Just because it's a person's choice does not make a person less dangerous or less inhibited while on the drug. Plus, some substances are so addictive and so dangerous, making it legal for public consumption could cause an epidemic. Marijuana is very mild, comparatively, which lends the argument for legalization.

[halfassedjediknight]

yea, i prolly am in denial. lol.
i mean, i've quit before and i def. am goin to have to quit again.
lol.
but it isn't a problem.
doesn't addiction, in the simplest form, mean that you need the drug?
i overcame, cocaine "addiction". lol. and i was a mild case compared to a whole shit full of people.
not to mention, tweakers, junkies, crackheads-
all drugs that are Physically addictive.

and.. i believe mdma is NOT physically addictive, like weed.
correct me if im wrong.
and a lot of probation papers say weed is not physically addictive, around my area so i dunno..

:hippy:


everyone will differ on whether or not weed is physically and/or psychologically addictive no matter what.

there are symptoms of physical addiction, like being restless or being nauseated or having insomnia.

then there are psychological symptoms like cravings or random intense dreams. its all there! there could even be more symptoms, its all different for different people. no one is the same.

being able to quit is an act of willpower, anyone can quit a drug. this doesnt make it not addictive necessarilly.

[Spoken Word]

hmm.
even if what you say is true, compared to everything else on the planet, including people that are "addicted" to sex, money, n food.
our plant has little or a gentle addiction, which in my opinion means its a mental thing that you can't overcome.

n im too high to keep discussing it cause i've yet to meet someone that NEEDED weed.

peace, my brother.

[halfassedjediknight]

hmm.
even if what you say is true, compared to everything else on the planet, including people that are "addicted" to sex, money, n food.
our plant has little or a gentle addiction, which in my opinion means its a mental thing that you can't overcome.

n im too high to keep discussing it cause i've yet to meet someone that NEEDED weed.

peace, my brother.

if people didnt need it, there wouldnt be such a thing as medical marijuana. maybe thats wrong of me to say. but there are benefits, and some people really need those certain benefits. they helped relieve pain with my ulcers and panic disorders, but im sure there are other things that could have helped me as well, so i dont know what to say about that.

gentle or not, addiction is addiction. it brings me back to something I said about 'levels of addiction'. the range is far and wide.

still, ive quit weed after about 7 years and I get headaches, and my stomach hurts. I cant fall asleep unless its after 1 or 2 am.

thats not to say that everything I say is based on MY personal experience. there are seriously studies that have shown signs of withdrawal symptoms, as well as either 'addiction' or just plain love for the drug. call it what you will, tomato, to-mah-toe. i dunno.

everyone has their own opinion and belief, and thats the way the world works. its good because more opinions mean more info and data and thoughts and ideas, which comes to more breakthroughs.

we havnt even scratched the surface of anything.

[Spoken Word]

how about if i had a chart from the miami-dade- county clerk of courts showing that marijuana has a 'No' under 'Physically' Addictive.
would you tell me that my friends over there in the courts are lying?
I've always hated em but i gotta believe em this time.

not saying your opinion is false.
I've mastered the difficult task of realizing that there's two sides to....EVERYTHING. lol.

im just tryin to tell you that marijuana is already known to be NOT physically addictive. like mdma.
any addiction that comes from either is mental, emotional, or phsycological.

all easy if not obviously less harder on ANYBODY than a 'PHYSICAL' addiction. which is the one you usually need to go 'rehab'.

i might be COMPLETLY wrong about the following.

i don't think rehab will let you in if you tell them *JUST* weed.

has someone tried it?

[halfassedjediknight]

how about if i had a chart from the miami-dade- county clerk of courts showing that marijuana has a 'No' under 'Physically' Addictive.
would you tell me that my friends over there in the courts are lying?
I've always hated em but i gotta believe em this time.

not saying your opinion is false.
I've mastered the difficult task of realizing that there's two sides to....EVERYTHING. lol.

im just tryin to tell you that marijuana is already known to be NOT physically addictive. like mdma.
any addiction that comes from either is mental, emotional, or phsycological.

all easy if not obviously less harder on ANYBODY than a 'PHYSICAL' addiction. which is the one you usually need to go 'rehab'.

i might be COMPLETLY wrong about the following.

i don't think rehab will let you in if you tell them *JUST* weed.

has someone tried it?

I wouldnt say your 'friends' are lying, id ask them what theyre basing that on.

i base my theory and belief off of what data that has been presented. ive seen proof of psychological and physical withdrawal symptoms, so i believe it is addicting both mentally and physically.

also i dont know about any rehab, but i know there are rehabilitation clinics specifically for marijuana addiction and abuse.

[Spoken Word]

Addiction-
–noun the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.

Maybe your right.
If that's the case, you should'nt be smoking anything to begin with.

[halfassedjediknight]

Addiction-
â??noun the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.

Maybe your right.
If that's the case, you should'nt be smoking anything to begin with.

theres lots of things we shouldnt be doing. everyone has their vices though.

[Spoken Word]

agreed.
ANYTHING in excess in bad.
to say the least.

[halfassedjediknight]

I feel bad because this thread sounds like it should be in the medical section now.

[memoryburner]

Weed isn't the same as other drugs. They're all different.

The reason they should be all be legalized is when you take drugs, you are harming noone but yourself. Why make that illegal?

Except alcohol (if you drink and drive)

[TheAtomicPunk]

agreed.
ANYTHING in excess in bad.
to say the least.


Hell, even too much oxygen is bad for you!

I partly agree with halfassedjediknight

I'm just saying for marijuana specifically it's a waste of money for the government to protect us from this drug that isn't hurting anyone.

As for serious drugs, I'm not sure if legalization of them would be a good idea. But who knows the true outcome if it were to happen : /