Do you think cigarettes shout be illegal?

[make it legal]

This video kind of sums up what I think about it.

YouTube - Ethan Nadelmann on Tobacco Prohibition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBSFiO87bC0&mode=related&search=)

[Its a Plant]

Everything should be legal. As long as you're not hurting anyone besides yourself, it ALL should be legal, cigs included.

If I want to ruin my life smoking cigs or doing any other drugs, I should have that choice.

This is the land of the FREE, is it not? ~

[higher4hockey]

theres more to freedom than drugs :thumbsup:

[Reefer Rogue]

I think tobacco should be illegal.

[make it legal]

Yeah I agree with plant.

Reefer rogue, watch the video.

[Its a Plant]

theres more to freedom than drugs :thumbsup:
Never said there wasn't....

It's just funny how certain intoxicants can be legal, while others are deemed illegal and harmful.

- - Hint: it's all harmful in one way or another, so why can't everything be on the same level? :jointsmile:

[Skink]

This dude is an asset... I am going to his website now...

[Reefer Rogue]

Yeah I agree with plant.

Reefer rogue, watch the video.

I disagreed with pretty much everything he had to say.

In fact, everything he said could be used for pro cannabis arguements.

He talked about not thinking about the consequences, i found this ironic because making tobacco illegal would save more lives then keeping it legal, even with the black market.

Like I said, I think tobacco should be illegal.

[Skink]

I like his point that it will never work...

[hello3pat]

If tobaccoo should be made illegal do to the fact it has been found harmful to the human body and can eventualy lead to death then we are gonna have to make alcohol illegal. Since automobiles can cause death they are out too, alon with most house hold chemicals, hell while we are at it lets outlaw life as it eventually leads to death

[Ganj]

Some people are predisposed to cancer, heart disease, etc. It's those people who are at higher risk by smoking. People don't die because they smoke. People die because they won't stop their addictive, debilitating, fatal habits. Hedonistic fools face an ironic death.

[Skink]

If tobaccoo should be made illegal do to the fact it has been found harmful to the human body and can eventualy lead to death then we are gonna have to make alcohol illegal. Since automobiles can cause death they are out too, alon with most house hold chemicals, hell while we are at it lets outlaw life as it eventually leads to death

that is kinda the conclusion here... We need less laws and control period... We need to be the leader of our own self and accountable for our own actions... freedom is a myth...

[Matt the Funk]

Everything should be legal. As long as you're not hurting anyone besides yourself, it ALL should be legal, cigs included.

If I want to ruin my life smoking cigs or doing any other drugs, I should have that choice.

This is the land of the FREE, is it not? ~

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[NextLineIsMine]

I believe in personal choice and responsibility

[SonicBloom]

Everything should be legal. As long as you're not hurting anyone besides yourself, it ALL should be legal, cigs included.

If I want to ruin my life smoking cigs or doing any other drugs, I should have that choice.

This is the land of the FREE, is it not? ~

The only problem with that is where is the line drawn on what hurts others and what doesn't? Heroin has hurt me in many ways, but I have never shot up. It has broken up families, destroyed friendships, and wastes money that could be used to better the world in other ways. But in the heat of the moment, in the instance you shoot up, its not hurting anyone, in fact, everything seems great.

This is not the land of the free, this is the land of certain liberties. Freedom will never exist completely. Not in our life time, atleast.

Cigarettes should be legal, of coarse, trying to take that away is just ridiculous.

[Its a Plant]

That's where personal choice and responsibility come into play, like NextLine mentioned above...

Having the CHOICE to either ruin your life, use in moderation, or not at all, with anything you want to indulge in being legal. ~

[LazySmoking420]

he bored me...

i'm bored now.

thank you

[marvelous22]

I think cig's and alcholol should be illegal and mary j should be legal. Just look at the death rates.

[Psycho4Bud]

I smoke two packs a day.....if you want to see a mod go nuts in here, make cigs illegal! It would be JIHAD I tell you!!!!!:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[mrdevious]

The biggest problem in the drug war ideology is the "make it illegal" philosophy. Large portions of society have this mentality that if something is harmfull, just make it illegal, simple as that! They make a vague, generalized concept in their head that making a substance illegal is an attack on the substance. In reality it's an attack on PEOPLE. When making something illegal, we shouldn't be considering what it's doing to this bad substance, but what it's doing to the thousands and thousands of people who will be victimized by the legal system, given jailtime and criminal records for making a health decision the government doesn't agree with.

As far as I'm concerned, the government has no business in our personal health decisions, nor does it have the right to persecute individuals for how they choose to live their lives. It's never so simple as "make it illegal". Consider every person you know who's smoked a cigarette or had a drink and think to yourself "does he/she deserve to go to jail and be deemed a criminal?"

[Markass]

nope..prohibition has never worked, and will never work. We should have the right in this country to do what we want, if we don't hurt anybody :thumbsup:

[pass the chicken]

ban ciggs? and legalize weed? bit hipocritical don't you think but any other drug gets legalized other then weed I'm running to the local gun shop I'm not bout to be killed by a crackhead for 20 bucks so he can goto 711 and get his fix

[Lethal G]

It definitely should still be legal. Any more prohibition will just hinder the efforts at cannabis legalization and putting an end to the drug war. Prohibition doesn't work for any drug, in my opinion.

[rottenPauL]

fuck no! im a smoker... :smokin:

[orange floyd]

ban ciggs? and legalize weed? bit hipocritical don't you think but any other drug gets legalized other then weed I'm running to the local gun shop I'm not bout to be killed by a crackhead for 20 bucks so he can goto 711 and get his fix

if drugs were legal, coke would cost like $5-10 a gram, aka crackheads could work minimum wage jobs and still support their habits without resorting to stealing. that would be the equivalent of someone robbing you so they could buy a pack of cigarettes.

[suhl]

agree with the plant man. for me weed being harmless physically isnt the reason it should be legal. it is like the man said, if you arent hurting anyone else thenwe good. it is like that rush song freewill, or common sense. it is like suicide being illegal. god that is a joke. i agree with the libertarians on this one if you arent commiting fraud or murder then its all good. dobnt hurt others anything else is gravy. in fact id vote for them if they didnt want to get rid of public education and many other gov necessities, but i agree with their foundation, a person's life is their own responsibility. honestly if you are going to make stuff illegal because it is harmful make cars harmful cause i may be the only person left on earth that thinks that the stuff that comes out of your exhaust pipe is more harmful than second hand smoke. im not making sense any more but honestly if you think you have the right to tell other people what to do if they arent harming you in any way then you can eat shit and die

[420marijuana420]

yeah................................... MORE prohibition....................................... .................................................. .:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Sounds foolproof.

[thcbongman]

I don't think any drug should be illegal let alone cigarettes. People should have the freedom.

[pass the chicken]

if drugs were legal, coke would cost like $5-10 a gram, aka crackheads could work minimum wage jobs and still support their habits without resorting to stealing. that would be the equivalent of someone robbing you so they could buy a pack of cigarettes.

apparently you've never been in the presence of a crack head while they need a fix. And crack head I mean full blown addiction you know the fucked up teeth, unbathed, smokes rock, then smokes more, very unpredictable sometimes violent behavior. Not to mention all the chemicals that shit whould put in the air then you'd have people getting second hand crack smoke. But let's legalize everything. That way every dealer who depends on the hustle runs out of a job. Resulting in them finding other routes to make money. They already have the guns you really wanna take away their food? You'd watch the whole country crumble in front of your very eyes. A good portion of law enforcement would be out of a job. Not that I'm a big fan of popo but still last thing we need are high unemployment rates. Homicde and suicide would skyrocket. Robberies would go way up. See what I'm saying?

[suhl]

what a horrible point. you are acting like a positive aspect of illegal drugs is the drug dealers created by the black market. what the hell are you talking about. you cant automatically assume every drug dealer would suddenly start robbing everyone they saw and that it would mean people smoking crack in public. from the sounds of that weakass argument you are the very crack addict to which you were referring, because i dont know who else couldnt see how irrational and wrong that was

[420marijuana420]

apparently you've never been in the presence of a crack head while they need a fix. And crack head I mean full blown addiction you know the fucked up teeth, unbathed, smokes rock, then smokes more, very unpredictable sometimes violent behavior. Not to mention all the chemicals that shit whould put in the air then you'd have people getting second hand crack smoke. But let's legalize everything. That way every dealer who depends on the hustle runs out of a job. Resulting in them finding other routes to make money. They already have the guns you really wanna take away their food? You'd watch the whole country crumble in front of your very eyes. A good portion of law enforcement would be out of a job. Not that I'm a big fan of popo but still last thing we need are high unemployment rates. Homicde and suicide would skyrocket. Robberies would go way up. See what I'm saying?

NO! I don't see what you're saying. Let the drug dealers go work at Mcdonalds, they do what they do for the money. Let the cops catch real criminals. And a crackhead is gonna be a crackhead no matter what. The education about the drug won't stop. People will still know the risks. Second hand crack smoke............wtf. If anything the drugs will be safer because they won't be made in garage labs. Violence would go down as a result of the illegal drug trade ending and it being regulated.

[thcbongman]

You can't automatically assume all crackheads steal and rob people. All the crackheads I know don't steal, they may be a little twisted, but they're good people in general that coulnd't resist the temptation to take the panties off the white girl.

[suhl]

you young punks need to walk off in si o lence

[pass the chicken]

:wtf: any of you live by a major city? or way out in the sticks? What sane person do you know who whould trade hundreds of dollars a week for min. wage? And besides that there aren't any jobs here as it is. If You whole hearted beleive that legalizing every illegal drug is a good idea then I hope you take a trip to here to Detroit. Stay a couple nights walk the streets see the unemployed, the dealers, the addicts. See how they are about their money. Then I dare you to try and grab his money out his pocket. It's the same thing as taking his hustle away. Not to mention then there'd just be more addicts running around. And if it's legalized you really think a rock is gonna cost 5 bucks? ciggeretes cost 3 cents a piece to make. thats 60 cents. Why am I paying 6 dollars and some change, cause they'll tax the shit and prices will go higher not lower.

[thcbongman]

I live right by DC, and that's pretty much crack central. I'm not denying there's some social decay, and most of it has nothing to do with crack. There a lot of factors involved, including the ridiculous gun ban in DC. If it were legalized the price would drop, it would be regulated. Right now it's a black market, and the only thing that rules is getting dollar.

There's people that steal for weed. It isn't about the drugs, it's about motive and that is money.

[BlazinTreesX3]

Im young i guess i should walk away in silence but im settled in nicely so ill ignore you who thinks they can give orders over a keyboard..

This would be nationwide right so why do we argue about unresolvable things..
Drug prohibition ending would affect the nation in all different ways and my town would be inn rubble. Crystal meth is no fun illegal. I dont know my mind isnt fully wrapped around it with the whole weighing of pros and cons but where im coming from I cant imagine legalizing all drugs...

I think if you wanna smoke crack or meth then shit sorry.
Ive smoked meth once and it was under extreme pressure and yeah well lets say i had little choice and i did lots and ate some and we went and did our little missions around town and it was HORRIBLE. Nasty shit cant respect those crackheads or tweakers a little bit where i come from.

Legalize marijuana Prohibit tobacco. Do it using secret police and beat and imprison anyone that complains. Because i dont smoke anything but marijuana. So how can i argue on it? I cant just set my opinion out there and take another hit.

*checks his window make sure no crackheads outside...wait its legal! fuck im sleeping with a shotgun now fuck a teddy bear...*

Sorry just none of your arguments just made me go oh theres a complete answer thats not gonna be argued and flamed by the next post.

Light me up flamers. OOO and dont forget to say i dont mean shit cuz my age. And tell me to do something while ur at it...surprise me.

[Reefer Rogue]

I think cig's and alcholol should be illegal and mary j should be legal. Just look at the death rates.

Exactly how I feel.

[rebgirl420]

I dont smoke cigs but I dont think i hold the right to tell others what they can or cannot put into their own bodies.

[smoke it]

to each his own. america is supposed to be a free country, yet the goverment can tell me what i can and can not put into my own body. tobacco prohibition would be a disaster.

[GHoSToKeR]

Everything should be legal. As long as you're not hurting anyone besides yourself, it ALL should be legal, cigs included.

If I want to ruin my life smoking cigs or doing any other drugs, I should have that choice.

This is the land of the FREE, is it not? ~

Took the words right out of my fingers. We think so alike I reckon we could be sisters, if I wasn't a dude.

[Plastic Jesus]

One of the major points being missed is the money Big Tobacco throws into politics. As long as they pay the right people, tobacco will never be made illegal. Unfortunately, Big Tobacco has a LOT to lose if Marijuana is legalized. Big Tobacco would lose everything if Marijuana were legalized. There are tax on Tobacco correct?

[suhl]

big tobacco wouldnt lose anything if marijuana were legalized weed isnt a tobacco substitute. if you are addicted to cigarettes and start smoking weed you arent going to stop cigarettes

i dont like how far theyve gone with smoking already. apparently any more people cant hold themselves responsible for walking into a building where they know smoking is allowed. hey smoking ban people, heres an idea, you dont like smoke filled bars, dont go into them you assholes

[Platinum Plus]

Yea you cna't make Rigs illegal and ask for cannabis to be legalized
that wouldn't work on so many levels lol...all the tobacco fiend pot haters
would go nuts and start genocide... And also the people who said
"keep cigs legal as long as we're not hurting anybody else"
that's kind of hard cuz people do get second hand smoke from cigs...
you'd have to smoke in a spot where nobody can breath it in no?
Anyways, prohibition (prohibitchin') is fucked up
We'll never live free... i feel abit more free in canada than the U.S. though haha

[Nochowderforyou]

I don't think tobacco should be illegal. I think everyone has a mind of their own, and adding more dictatorshit, will just frustrate people even more.

I think one thing they shouldn't do is accept court cases where family members sue tobacco sompanies because a loved one died of it's use. Now THAT, is bullshit. I don't see how getting money for a loved ones death helps with that loss. :wtf: Plus, they made that choice to smoke, so now you want someone to pay because of their stupid actions?

More prohibition won't work. Creating more dictatorship won't work. Let people make their own choices, but before they do, they should be aware of the dangers it presents. If they die or get sick because of it, too bad, your choice, your mistake, you know the hazards, RIP.

That's how I see it anyways. If people want to smoke, then let them, but if they die because of it, too freaking bad.

[suhl]

if tobacco were made illegal you could prepare for a black market that would make the bootlegging during prohibition a cake walk

[hello3pat]

I think cig's and alcholol should be illegal and mary j should be legal. Just look at the death rates.
Ok, first we know for a fact making alchohal illegal would not work it's been tried before, the production and selling of alchohal was made constitutionaly illegal for a while but that failed misserably. Second cigerettes aren't what kills the person it's their descision to smoke them. Also this whole second hand smoke thing, it takes a hell of a lot more than first hand smoke to kill someone else, but not only that, they have produced a ciggerette that has almost no second hand smoke, the brand is Eclipse. ALso if we to were make it illegal based on the fact it can kill then we would also have to ban caffeine, water, gasoline, knives, guns, blunt objects,swords, hell even coke machines kill people from them falling on a person

[Skrappie]

hey smoking ban people, heres an idea, you dont like smoke filled bars, dont go into them you assholes


I go to the bar or out to eat because i want to
a)drink
b)eat

not to be assulted by smoke. I'm not saying smoking tabacky is wrong, hell i even partake every once in a while. All i'm saying is if you bitch about not being able to smoke everywhere you go, then you need to put some things into perspective.

[pass the chicken]

don't forget we'd have to ban rainforest
Over 700 things are found in the rainforest can cause cancer.
Also the rainforest is responsible for over 300,000 deaths a year due to accidents, attracks, and diseise

[halfassedjediknight]

I go to the bar or out to eat because i want to
a)drink
b)eat

not to be assulted by smoke.

well to the average smoker, cigarettes and booze go hand in hand. to the business, a happy customer is a paying customer, and they will keep coming back and ordering more. thus, satisfy the customer and they will return and purchase.

half those people would find a new bar if they couldnt smoke and drink at the same time. its bad for business. also, you cant please everyone.

and usually the barflys smoke, so it makes sense to let them.

[robert42]

Everything should be legal. As long as you're not hurting anyone besides yourself, it ALL should be legal, cigs included.

If I want to ruin my life smoking cigs or doing any other drugs, I should have that choice.

This is the land of the FREE, is it not? ~

AGREED

[suhl]

hey guess what, you go to a bar to drink, or eat. that is your right. it is also the right of someone to open a bar and say it is non smoking. i guess that slipped your mind. i would have no problem at all with a business owner saying hey this is no smoking. that is fine. the government saying it is ridiculous, people bitching about getting assaulted by smoke when they know smoking is allowed going in make me sick to my stomach.

[Skrappie]

half those people would find a new bar if they couldnt smoke and drink at the same time. its bad for business. also, you cant please everyone.

and usually the barflys smoke, so it makes sense to let them.

I understand that, its all gravy. My point was if you are really upset about a place banning smoking, to the point where you refuse to go there (if you once enjoyed it) then smoking has taken over your life.
I enjoy smoking weed, but i'm still going to have fun when i go out even if i cant do it at my favorite( or any) establishment.

Suhl, how much time do you spend in these places? I'm sure its not enough to here a total ban in establishment smoking would honestly effect your life.

My question is not if you should or shouldnt be allowed to smoke where you drink, mine is only do you really need to?

Getting bent out of shape about it answers that question though.

[suhl]

:thumbsup: i dont smoke, i am upset over constitutional rights being so obviously violated and people just going along with it because they dont like smelly clothes. people who are addicted to smoking have the right to go somewhere they can have a good time without withdraw

and on your edit, i dont smoke. to me if you see it as a smokers vs nonsmokers issue you are totally missing the point, but dont worry that is the majority on this issue. it is about the rights of business owners, and going further the right to property guarenteed in the constitution. once again, as about every post in here though, i thank you for the psychological assessment me and my smoking addiction, you hit the nail on the head:thumbsup:

[Skrappie]

once again, as about every post in here though, i thank you for the psychological assessment me and my smoking addiction, you hit the nail on the head:thumbsup:

I think that thumb is close to your butt buddy. I did not give you an assessment, just as the rest of my post was general, the part direct to you was general. I don't care if you smoke or not. And I understood where you were comming from

but as with my orignal post
All i'm saying is if you bitch about not being able to smoke everywhere you go, then you need to put some things into perspective. I was giving a side bar comment on it. i think the business owner should be able to decide too, but my one and only point on this issue is, if you get bent out of shape when you cant smoke, then you need to put things into perspective. I think you were a bit to excited to nail somone and jumped the gun. The 'you' existed in post as only a general refrence. as it always does. :)

[halfassedjediknight]

I understand that, its all gravy. My point was if you are really upset about a place banning smoking, to the point where you refuse to go there (if you once enjoyed it) then smoking has taken over your life.
I enjoy smoking weed, but i'm still going to have fun when i go out even if i cant do it at my favorite( or any) establishment.

My question is not if you should or shouldnt be allowed to smoke where you drink, mine is only do you really need to?


I wouldnt go as far as saying its taken over your life. Its more about making a statement if youre going to discontinue going to said establishment. In California you cant even smoke in any place, so I dont even mind it. And of course you dont need to, its just a commodity that has been given to the patrons.

but as far as smoking weed goes..its apples and oranges. of course you arent going to be able to smoke weed in any establishment (if in the US)while its still illegal, so of course youre still gonna have fun.

[suhl]

oh yeah, i misinterpreted i guess, you threw me off when you said it is my right to walk into a bar and not get assaulted by smoke. then we are all clear. and yes i do get very excited about this issue because people wanting to eliminate our basic freedoms really piss me off. and i misinterpreted the you i really thought you meant me specifically. then i guess we are in agreement

[halfassedjediknight]

oh yeah, i misinterpreted i guess, you threw me off when you said it is my right to walk into a bar and not get assaulted by smoke. then we are all clear. and yes i do get very excited about this issue because people wanting to eliminate our basic freedoms really piss me off. and i misinterpreted the you i really thought you meant me specifically. then i guess we are in agreement

I wouldnt necessarilly call smoking in an establishment a basic freedom, but more or less a privelage.

id say more something like freedom of speech is a basic freedom.

[suhl]

goes in with the right to property. i dont know if that is a basic freedom or not but it is in the consitution. you operate your business within the confines of the law. cigarettes are legal. they have also have the right to sa no smoking. i will say you being able to smoke in there is a privledge given by the owner or manager, but them being able to make such a decision is their right. rather was their right

[Nochowderforyou]

I remeber going to the bars back in Alberta and they had smoking, and non-smoking sections. I used to smoke, but then I quit. Going to the bar where the smokers were on one side, and non-smokers on the other worked out just fine for me. Sure, you could smell it a bit, but I couldn't taste it. Unlike most clubs, where smoke filled the place awnd you could chew it. :p

After time though, they made a bylaw where you couldn't even smoke inside any establishment, bars included. I think this is unfair to smokers. They were treating them like children, and after time, people started crowding around outside, hundreds at a time, tossing their butts on the ground.

To me, if a business has a section where smokers can go, then I'm fine by that as a non smoker. It never bothered me when they had the seperate sections, so why don't they just do that again?

The way I see it, if you're going to a bar, then expect people to smoke. If you don't like that, then go to a different bar, but I think having indoor sections for smokers to go is a good idea. Not sending them out in the cold for crowds of people, and having smoke butts piled up outside the doors.

[birdgirl73]

I wish there were a way to make them non-existent without making them illegal. They do so much preventable damage. My health conscience wants them removed from our planet. But my freedom conscience recognizes that if people are allowed to make choices to eat what they want, love whom they want, vote how they want, go where they want, etc., they should be alllowed to choose tobacco, too.

[GHoSToKeR]

I wish there were a way to make them non-existent without making them illegal. They do so much preventable damage. My health conscience wants them removed from our planet. But my freedom conscience recognizes that if people are allowed to make choices to eat what they want, love whom they want, vote how they want, go where they want, etc., they should be alllowed to choose tobacco, too.

Oh ya I totally agree. I don't want them band or made illegal, because I don't think anything should be illegal (not just because it harms me if I choose to do it, that is) but then they are evil and it would probably be for the good of all of us if they were banned worldwide..

[EbelEyes]

No Tobacco should stay legal.